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Post by Bartonite on Nov 24, 2012 18:32:08 GMT
Do the Tories want to dump a giant incinerator on the outskirts of Gloucester? You decide...
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Post by Bartonite on Nov 26, 2012 9:40:58 GMT
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Post by TrollhunterX on Nov 29, 2012 18:30:34 GMT
I discovered last night that Philip Lowery, Barton & Tredworth Neighbourhood Partnership chairman and committed Labour supporter, intends to invite Sue Oppenheimer to the next open meeting in February, because he thinks the incinerator is a big issue. It's not a ward/partnership issue, though, so hopefully this won't be happening...
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Post by Bartonite on Dec 9, 2012 12:35:51 GMT
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Post by Bartonite on Dec 18, 2012 12:43:43 GMT
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Post by Bartonite on Dec 21, 2012 14:51:20 GMT
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Post by Bartonite on Mar 21, 2013 12:46:46 GMT
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Post by Bartonite on Mar 22, 2013 2:49:52 GMT
Well, colour me confused. I wasn't really sure what the business with Councillor Andrewartha was about, but when the committee, including Sarah Lunnon, unanimously 'approved the motion', I could tell from the reaction of the audience that they weren't giving planning permission...
So, UBB get £15M for their trouble, and we get to have the proper discussion. What is residual waste, what part of it really can be recycled, and what do we do with the rest? And will the people who claimed we could recycle more put their money where their mouths are and walk the walk, so to speak?
Can't say it wasn't anticipated, though...
Someone complained that the decision should have been made after the county elections in May, and I couldn't understand that. I feel certain that if they hadn't been afraid of losing their seats, some committee members would have voted differently, and maybe for what they thought would be best for the county.
So, still not crazy about that kind of victory, but happy to see evidence that dogged persistence can be justified. And there are plenty of things that need to be fought for, still...
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Post by Bartonite on Mar 24, 2013 12:21:55 GMT
TiG site is messed up again... Sorry, failed to add comment : Service Unavailable What I should have said... So, just to re-cap (and people will correct me on the details, I'm sure), the previous administration at the county council, Labour with the support of the Lib Dems, proposed an MBT scheme, which the Conservatives opposed on anti-incineration grounds. Then, when the Tories gained control of the council, they threw open waste strategy planning to consideration of all options, and the eventual solution just happened to be the incineration strategy they were dead set against before. Presumably, then, the Conservatives are prepared to admit that they changed their minds on the reasons for rejecting the earlier proposal, and support it in principle now. To get around the 'commercial sensitivity' problem, why not get cross-party agreement on the smaller, less obtrusive MBT plant, with the technical details about off-loadign the fuel, etc, already sorted out in principal before any company gets within sniffing distance of making an offer, and then they can keep their sensitivities to themselves, or at least I'd trust a (again, cross-party) committee to deal with those sensitivities, provided that broadly, the right choice had already been specified. Campaigners relief at Javelin Park incinerator decision - but battle is not over |
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Post by Bartonite on Apr 7, 2013 14:24:07 GMT
Copied from TiG: Two things to consider, with links... 1. 3D printers are becoming cheaper all the time, with one now being offered for 99 dollars... www.bloomberg.com/video/3d-printing-for-200-this-company-makes-it-reality-SCqFp5fOS_aslZTs~rs10A.html2. The filament which 3D printers need to produce objects can now be recovered from recycled plastic without leaving the house, thanks to the Filobot... filabot.com/This means that in theory, and especially if the manufacturers of plastic bottles and the like play ball by using types of plastic suitable for such applications, the plastic going to incinerators or landfill could be significantly reduced, as we start using it to make our own spare parts, etc. Our personal creativity could soar. I'm not seeing a down side... |
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Post by Bartonite on Jan 20, 2015 9:43:55 GMT
I posted the following paragraph on the Citizen's Facebook page, then posted it as a Twitlonger, adding the link and PS:
I should also point out that while I get a lot of sniping from people about my emails, it was a number of such mails to Stan Waddington which, a few years back now, finally secured me the full details of the 'consultation' held in advance of the waste disposal planning. The survey was revealed to be a mockery of the democratic process, simply asking people which they prioritised, efficiency, cost effectiveness or cleanliness. The council planners then took the result and applied it to whichever process they favoured, and coucillors let it happen, even though I sent the document to county councillor Phillip Booth of the Green Party, and he blogged it. If more people tackled the people in charge, and voting on decisions, directly, the options favoured by the chattering classes might have got more of a look in.
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Post by Bartonite on Jan 20, 2015 9:57:43 GMT
For the record, here's the link to my TwitLonger: Incineration |
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Post by Bartonite on Feb 19, 2015 20:21:23 GMT
So on Wednesday, an emergency meeting was called at Shire Hall by the Labour group in Gloucestershire, to call for a vote on more deliberation before going ahead with the incinerator project. It was defeated, with three Forest UKIP councillors swinging the vote the Tories' way.
I still don't believe Labour have any intention of seriously overturning the proposal, because they'd they'd much rather go into council elections with the Tories getting more flack for it, than Labour getting the criticism for simply drawing out a process with an inevitable end result, that they themselves were seeking before the Tories took charge of the council.
In the meantime, expect more trivialising of the issues.
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Post by Bartonite on Feb 23, 2016 9:19:32 GMT
The latest news about polutants in the home and on the road, incidentally, reflects what I've said about the M5 being potentially as big a source of hazard to our health as a putative incinerator, and that bonfires are regularly being lit in people's back gardens without any concerns about what toxins they're emitting. UK air pollution 'linked to 40,000 early deaths a year'This is what happens when [party/green] politics is put ahead of the public interest, though. |
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Post by Bartonite on Jun 28, 2017 10:45:58 GMT
So, just to re-cap (and people will correct me on the details, I'm sure), the previous administration at the county council, Labour with the support of the Lib Dems, proposed an MBT scheme, which the Conservatives opposed on anti-incineration grounds. Then, when the Tories gained control of the council, they threw open waste strategy planning to consideration of all options, and the eventual solution just happened to be the incineration strategy they were dead set against before. Presumably, then, the Conservatives are prepared to admit that they changed their minds on the reasons for rejecting the earlier proposal, and support it in principle now. So, will any Conservative explain their volte face? It's not looking like it... |
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